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Jamaran / Mowj Class Multi-Purpose Guided Missile Frigate

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[left]tnx. this article is about basic mowj class named jamaran.it doent say anything about secend generation class of mowj with the name of jamran2 or velayat. there is a personal consern for me for velayat. it just have 2 SAM missles.do u think thats number is enough?[/left]
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[left][quote name='IRIAF' timestamp='1365686698' post='306472']
tnx. this article is about basic mowj class named jamaran.it doesn't say anything about secend generation class of mowj with the name of jamran2 or velayat. there is a personal concern for me for velayat. it just have 2 SAM missles.do u think thats number is enough?[/left]
[left][/quote][/left]
[left]Actually 2 SAM missiles are not enough! because of powerful air forces of our enemies i think we should work on vertical lunching systems which make naval vessels able to carry lots of missiles in different types. i think this technology could be obtained from our tor missile systems which utilize this method for lunching. almost modern naval vessels uses this method. for example Korean navies KDXIII destroyers are able to carry about 80 SM-2 Block IIIB missiles in it's Mk 41 VLS lunching cells!!! moreover these vessels are armed by 48 VLS cells for lounching cruise missiles! if you want to fight in sea you most be heavily armed[/left]
[center][img]http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/1242561769_37.jpg[/img] [/center]

[center][img]http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/a0105007_496d3a8056034.jpg[/img][/center]
[quote]

اقا اگر حال حوصله ی ترجمه داشتیم که این جا نمی یومدیم
[/quote]
متون انگلیسی به جهت تمرین زبان و دیده شدن سایت در سرچ های انگلیسی هست عزیز.
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[quote name='Electro_officer' timestamp='1365698614' post='306494']
[left][quote name='IRIAF' timestamp='1365686698' post='306472']
tnx. this article is about basic mowj class named jamaran.it doesn't say anything about secend generation class of mowj with the name of jamran2 or velayat. there is a personal concern for me for velayat. it just have 2 SAM missles.do u think thats number is enough?[/left]
[left][/quote][/left]
[left]Actually 2 SAM missiles are not enough! because of powerful air forces of our enemies i think we should work on vertical lunching systems which make naval vessels able to carry lots of missiles in different types. i think this technology could be obtained from our tor missile systems which utilize this method for lunching. almost modern naval vessels uses this method. for example Korean navies KDXIII destroyers are able to carry about 80 SM-2 Block IIIB missiles in it's Mk 41 VLS lunching cells!!! moreover these vessels are armed by 48 VLS cells for lounching cruise missiles! if you want to fight in sea you most be heavily armed[/left]
[center][img]http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/1242561769_37.jpg[/img] [/center]

[center][img]http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/a0105007_496d3a8056034.jpg[/img][/center]
[quote]

اقا اگر حال حوصله ی ترجمه داشتیم که این جا نمی یومدیم
[/quote]
متون انگلیسی به جهت تمرین زبان و دیده شدن سایت در سرچ های انگلیسی هست عزیز.
[/quote]
[left]
yeah its surly is as u say. but i thing we are way far from that technolegy(vertical lunch).tor is a good thing to start for our navy.but at least they could place more missiles for AA combat. just like jamaran1.i never closely looked at velatat to see what is the exact deffrence betwwen these two ships that coused the velayat to have 2 less missiles! what more equipments are in velayat that coused this less spacing???[/left]
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[left]Till the development of VLS systems, launchers similar to Mk-26/13/22 for RIM-66/harpoon and launcher of 3s-90 (shtil) missiles that have a magazine and can be reloaded automatically, are good solution for launching Mehrab/Raad-1 or even Qader/Noor missiles on Mowj class frigates.[/left]
[left]The only problem is availability of enough room for implementing such system.[/left]

[left]Mk-26//13/22[/left]

[left][url="http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/MK-26_Launcher_5a60c106d1-5266-41b8-83d0-487c68d556a1Larger.jpg"][img]http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/thumb_MK-26_Launcher_5a60c106d1-5266-41b8-83d0-487c68d556a1Larger.jpg[/img][/url][/left]

[left][url="http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/MK-26_Launcher_117138b72-8562-4992-8fa2-620f467e974fLarger.jpg"][img]http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/thumb_MK-26_Launcher_117138b72-8562-4992-8fa2-620f467e974fLarger.jpg[/img][/url][/left]

[left][url="http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/Missile_launcher_mk16_mk21_mk22_mk24_mk25_mk26_mk29_mk32.jpg"][img]http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/thumb_Missile_launcher_mk16_mk21_mk22_mk24_mk25_mk26_mk29_mk32.jpg[/img][/url][/left]

[left][url="http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/Missile_launcher_mk10_mk11_mk13_mk16.jpg"][img]http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/thumb_Missile_launcher_mk10_mk11_mk13_mk16.jpg[/img][/url][/left]

[left][url="http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/image017.jpg"][img]http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/thumb_image017.jpg[/img][/url][/left]

[left][url="http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/image029.jpg"][img]http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/thumb_image029.jpg[/img][/url][/left]

[left]Shtil launcher:[/left]

[left][url="http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/imgp0071x.jpg"][img]http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/thumb_imgp0071x.jpg[/img][/url][/left]
[left][url="http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/D61_INS_Delhi_3S-90_Aft_Launcher_28Shtil_AAW29_Vladivostok_2011-04-19.jpg"][img]http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/thumb_D61_INS_Delhi_3S-90_Aft_Launcher_28Shtil_AAW29_Vladivostok_2011-04-19.jpg[/img][/url][/left]

[left][url="http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/shtil_r.jpg"][img]http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/thumb_shtil_r.jpg[/img][/url][/left]

[left][url="http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/8160185571_4524596354_z.jpg"][img]http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/thumb_8160185571_4524596354_z.jpg[/img][/url][/left]

[left][url="http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/shtil_28129.jpg"][img]http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/thumb_shtil_28129.jpg[/img][/url][/left]

[left][url="http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/1506170882_14054318.jpg"][img]http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/thumb_1506170882_14054318.jpg[/img][/url][/left] ویرایش شده در توسط M-ATF
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[quote name='M-ATF' timestamp='1365702934' post='306500']
[left]Till the development of VLS systems, launchers similar to Mk-26/13/22 for RIM-66/harpoon and launcher of 3s-90 (shtil) missiles that have a magazine and can be reloaded automatically, is a good solution for launching Mehrab/Raad-1 or even Qader/Noor missiles on Mowj class too[/left]
[left]The only problem is availability of enough room for implementing such system.[/left]

[left]Mk-26//13/22[/left]

[left][url="http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/MK-26_Launcher_5a60c106d1-5266-41b8-83d0-487c68d556a1Larger.jpg"][img]http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/thumb_MK-26_Launcher_5a60c106d1-5266-41b8-83d0-487c68d556a1Larger.jpg[/img][/url][/left]

[left][url="http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/MK-26_Launcher_117138b72-8562-4992-8fa2-620f467e974fLarger.jpg"][img]http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/thumb_MK-26_Launcher_117138b72-8562-4992-8fa2-620f467e974fLarger.jpg[/img][/url][/left]

[left][url="http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/Missile_launcher_mk16_mk21_mk22_mk24_mk25_mk26_mk29_mk32.jpg"][img]http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/thumb_Missile_launcher_mk16_mk21_mk22_mk24_mk25_mk26_mk29_mk32.jpg[/img][/url][/left]

[left][url="http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/Missile_launcher_mk10_mk11_mk13_mk16.jpg"][img]http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/thumb_Missile_launcher_mk10_mk11_mk13_mk16.jpg[/img][/url][/left]

[left][url="http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/image017.jpg"][img]http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/thumb_image017.jpg[/img][/url][/left]

[left][url="http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/image029.jpg"][img]http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/thumb_image029.jpg[/img][/url][/left]

[left]Shtil launcher:[/left]

[left][url="http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/imgp0071x.jpg"][img]http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/thumb_imgp0071x.jpg[/img][/url][/left]
[left][url="http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/D61_INS_Delhi_3S-90_Aft_Launcher_28Shtil_AAW29_Vladivostok_2011-04-19.jpg"][img]http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/thumb_D61_INS_Delhi_3S-90_Aft_Launcher_28Shtil_AAW29_Vladivostok_2011-04-19.jpg[/img][/url][/left]

[left][url="http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/shtil_r.jpg"][img]http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/thumb_shtil_r.jpg[/img][/url][/left]

[left][url="http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/8160185571_4524596354_z.jpg"][img]http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/thumb_8160185571_4524596354_z.jpg[/img][/url][/left]

[left][url="http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/shtil_28129.jpg"][img]http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/thumb_shtil_28129.jpg[/img][/url][/left]

[left][url="http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/1506170882_14054318.jpg"][img]http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/10187/thumb_1506170882_14054318.jpg[/img][/url][/left]
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now that what im talking about guys! look at the secend image. the double luncher. this is a good system until our navy make the VLS sys operational. but the question is: is this so hard to design and build? it looks simple. its jus a stand to lunch the missile. and it realy have less spacing compare to box sys in velayat figate. is that right? and i ask again:
what is the exact deffrence betwwen these two ships that coused the velayat to have 2 less missiles! what more equipments are in velayat that coused this less spacing??? ویرایش شده در توسط IRIAF
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[left]As all of us know, VLS is the best choice, less occupied room, faster response and higher fire power and less weight.[/left]
[left]If any project for development of a VLS is underway now, its better to wait for that VLS system, but in the case of facing major technical problem for development of VLS that needs long time and high costs, its good to develop such non-VLS launchers. The problem for using such launchers on Mowj class is availability of enogh internal room in Mowj frigates for magazine and auto-loader of such launchers. In the case of avalability enough internal room , It can be placed behind Fath gun or may be in current position of Mehrab missile launchers on Jamaran-2.[/left]

[left]Most likely Iranian experts are developing a VLS for Bavar-373 now, Likely the technology used for launcher of sub-surfaced launched anti ship cruise missiles can be used for development of a VLS too.[/left] ویرایش شده در توسط M-ATF
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actually I think it's not the time to discuss about VLS and the quantity of available AA missiles in our country made vessels , because as the first step , we have to build bigger vessels , much bigger than this to HAVE enough space for storing the missiles and reloading systems in the body


i think they're building a bigger ship (i don't know in what stage they are) about 2000 tons , for navy in Bandar-e Abbas , I think that project would be a big improvement

now that the purpose is designated , and we have stepped on the way to elate our flag in oceans , more than warships , we need some logistics ships , like IRINS Kharg , now that we can build 30.000 ships simply (oil tankers) , we should build some ;)


yet , with all these , I think in next 10 years we would reach many summits and most of the issues we talk here about Martial technology would be solved :applause: ویرایش شده در توسط Commandant
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[left]however our navy is getting better and better we most be pragmatic. we most develop our fleet step by step for example utilizing phased array radar in moudge 2 or velayat is a real rise in our navy. I hope navy designers work on bigger vessels which could be equipped better and i hope they replace this radar reflector hull with a nice stealth one!!! I hope [/left]
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[quote name='Electro_officer' timestamp='1365784307' post='306620']
however our navy is getting better and better we most be pragmatic. we most develop our fleet step by step for example utilizing phased array radar in moudge 2 or velayat is a real rise in our navy. I hope navy designers work on bigger vessels which could be equipped better and i hope they replace this radar reflector hull with a nice stealth one!!! I hope
[/quote]

[left]well we are doing good regarding naval tech . the missions for our ships would be sth like: 1- our big naval ships would secure our interests in blue waters and will also provide a great fire power against foreign navies , this for sure includes united states [/left]
[left]2 - our small crafts like fast boats or semi-heavy or light subs to defend the naval borders as they are so effective and stealth[/left]

[left]we also shouldnt forget the missiles that we have ...[/left]

[left]our navy is becoming a blue water navy so we should expect great big achievements in long term[/left]
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[left]today we can surely defend our coasts BUT :[/left]
[left]we shouldn't consider being blue water sth easy. it needs decades of hard work and cold money! for near future, the ability to reach international trade routes of Indian ocean would be enough for us[/left]
[left]and this needs many destroyers of which we have none yet .[/left]
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[quote name='Lord-Soldier' timestamp='1384289639' post='348165']
today we can surely defend our coasts BUT :
we shouldn't consider being blue water sth easy. it needs decades of hard work and cold money! for near future, the ability to reach international trade routes of Indian ocean would be enough for us
and this needs many destroyers of which we have none yet .
[/quote]

[left]dear , iran already has short term plans to send warships to us coasts as u know .[/left]

[left] this is called a blue water navy[/left]

[left]i got your point , its wise but inconsiderate[/left]

[left]you should consider the ongoing plans like sabalan which will totally shift our position in blue waters from a non-present country to an active one[/left]

[left] :rose: :rose: [/left]
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[left]haman my friend[/left]
[left]any vessel larger than a certain amount can be considered ocean going and can reach U.S. coasts, but this is not considered blue NAVY.[/left]
[left]whats more a powerful navy is not only warships[/left]
[left]it needs bases, logistics, communication, research and development, industrial capacity and etc.[/left]

[left]yes there is shortcuts for defending yourself, specially with Iranian tactics, but a ful scale blue navy that can project power is a different story,[/left]
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[quote name='Lord-Soldier' timestamp='1384343537' post='348210']
haman my friend
any vessel larger than a certain amount can be considered ocean going and can reach U.S. coasts, but this is not considered blue NAVY.
whats more a powerful navy is not only warships
it needs bases, logistics, communication, research and development, industrial capacity and etc.

yes there is shortcuts for defending yourself, specially with Iranian tactics, but a ful scale blue navy that can project power is a different story,
[/quote]

[left]what can i say bro? [/left]

[left]your right[/left]

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